5930/Broken Mirrors: False Widow

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Broken Mirrors: False Widow
Date of Scene: 13 April 2021
Location: Vault A - Playground
Synopsis: Shield learns their captured Natasha is not in fact Natasha and not at all what they expected.
Cast of Characters: Bobbi Morse, Sara Pezzini, Bruce Banner, Achilles, Clint Barton, Nadia Pym-van Dyne

Bobbi Morse has posed:
This ..maybe? Natasha Romanoff is not the first of the prisoners to be brought to The Playground for questioning. She definitely won't be the last. There's a lot of unknowns here.. is this Natasha? is she suddenly of two minds about whose side she's on? are we dealing with a doppelganger?

    Bobbi invited ARMOR along because, well, if she's a doppelganger that answers that question. Of course Clint is here to determine if this really is his Natasha Romanoff, the one he stuck his neck out for all those years ago. Sara is here to learn. Bruce is here in case the weird with this person gets truly weird. And Bobbi? she's just trying to hold on to a bit of sanity right now.

    The interrogation room has a desk fixed to the floor and a very advanced lie detector set up specifically for people like Natasha. Whether the rumours are true about its effectiveness, they may just be about to find out. Their prisoner has been shackled safely in the interrogation room, separated by an opaque force field from the exit and anyone else observing. She has been kept isolated from anyone else for a day now, which isn't a test of endurance for a spy but does make sure she isn't manipulating anyone else in the base.

    Bobbi takes a moment to collect her thoughts, "We will take a blood sample. Angelo I need you to run the doppelganger test on her.. Bruce, check the blood works too for.. anything out of the ordinary. Clint, I want you to try and get a read on her. We will start out slow and see where things take us. Also betting pool is open, I'm putting $10 on mind control."

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Sara is here to learn, so for the most part she will hang back and observe. Truth be told she has no idea who Natasha is, was, might be? In that regard she is useless to help in determining anything about this woman or who she might be. What she can offer is an outside set of observational eyes. Not knowing anything prior to this moment may be just as helpful as knowing the woman intimately, or it may be completely useless.

Bruce Banner has posed:
Bruce Banner adjusts his glasses and gives "Natasha" a brief glance before he starts to fine tune the settings on the equipment he'll be working with. Today he's here for his brains, not his brawn, complete with a white lab coat because he rarely gets to wear it anymore.

"I think I'm good over here. I'm ready for the sample when you are." His voice is calm, meek certainly, he would make a terrible interrogator anyhow.

Achilles has posed:
    The qualifications that got Angelo transferred to ARMOR? A ... unique understanding of the Greek Mythological figures. Okay, so when we say understanding, we mean blood relation. Yes on both sides. Gods are weird when it comes to modern morals and sensibilities. That, and his casual acceptance of things that are normally considered impossible.
    I mean sure, immortality can be a boon no matter the branch he is in. Either way, he nods to Bobbi, "Yes ma'am." he tells her. The age when his ego would force him to try to be in charge is long past. "Might I suggest that if you need to do good cop, bad cop, worse cop... you could -kill- me briefly to make a point." he states as he moves over and starts prepping the Doppletest. His eyes flicker to Sara, but he stays all business here and now.

Clint Barton has posed:
Clint shakes his head, "I'm torn between doppelganger or clone, myself. There was no recognition at all when she saw me, unless they wiped her mind entirely before controlling her there would have been something there, just might not have been friendly." He sighs, "And if they did, then that isn't our Nat anymore anyway."

He looks over at Bruce, "Is there a way to detect if someone is a clone? I don't know much about that kind of thing, does it show up in like damaged DNA or something? My cloning experience pretty much ends with sci-fi like Star Trek."

Bruce Banner has posed:
Bruce Banner shakes his head, "A clone is just a genetic copy of something else, at least that's the most simple definition. 'Clone' isn't a distinction on a genetic level, which is exactly the point of it being a clone." He manages a weak smile, "But needless to say, if the DNA matches Natasha, we can rule out an agent altered to look like her."

Nadia Pym-van Dyne has posed:
Natasha sits there limply in the interrogation chair while the various tests are conducted. Keeping her largely sedated is probably for the best given who she is, so that nobody winds up with a syringe in their neck trying to give her a blood test.

In her unconcious state she looks nigh peaceful, anyone who didn't know better would never guess this woman might be one of the most dangerous spies and assassins in the world.

Bobbi Morse has posed:
    Bobbi cough laughs at Angelo's suggestion of killing him to make a point, "Let's.. keep that option in the back pocket. Far in the back pocket. She nods to Sara, "Natasha is an exceptional manipulator.. see if you can spot the tactics she uses. This kind of training is invaluable. See if you can figure out what she's trying to achieve before she gets there. Don't worry too much if you can't... she is one of the best in the world after all."

    She adjusts her suit coat and takes off her lanyard, putting it in to her pocket. She nods to the guard at the controls and the energy becomes soft instead of hard allowing them to walk through. They can see her, she can't see them. She then nods to the lab tech who enters with Bobbi and another guard. She quickly takes a sample of Natasha's blood and they retreat back.

    "One sample of blood to begin our proceedings," she says and checks comms <<Check check>> She nods to the team, "Okay let's try and get some answers.. I expect we will get the run around." She steps through the field and takes a seat opposite Natasha as an agent approaches and gives her a wave of wakeup smells under her nose, then steps away and out of the cell. "Rise and shine...," she says with an expression that could best be described as curious and perhaps slightly perturbed.

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Sara offers a nod to Bobbi when she is spoken to, then focuses her attention back on what is happening, and the Natasha specifically. She doesn't suspect she will be much help, but she intends to do her best to figure out the intent of this person.

"Has she said anything prior to this?" She asks to anyone who might know. "Any indication of her intentions, or was this merely some sort of snatch and grab?"

Achilles has posed:
    "In my experience, what an operative on the level of Ms. Romanov here..." begins Angelo as he inserts the blood sample in and begins the test. He waits for it to run as he keeps speaking, "... With such an operative, what is -not- said or referred to is often more important than what -is- said. She would not draw attention to something unless she wanted your attention there. A lot like stage magic, sleight of hand, and the like."
    And a soft ding sounds which draws his green eyes to the display, "Negative on Dopple Status ma'am." he tells Bobbi.

Sara Pezzini has posed:
A slow, quiet pacing begins as Sara watches and listens. "There's a lot in what isn't said, I agree with Angelo on that." She offers, then stops when the ding announces the results. "Does that mean she's either the real deal or a clone?"

Clint Barton has posed:
Clint chuckles a little grimly, "More of a shoot in the chest and grab, honestly. Found her while we were on a mission, shot her, took her with us, so she hasn't been infiltrating us or anything. She's been missing for a while now." he explains to Sara.

He looks over at Natasha as she starts to wake up, looking for any sign of the Natasha he knows in her eyes when she regains conciousness.

Bruce Banner has posed:
Bruce 'hmmms' a bit as he analyzes the results. Then he expands on what he was saying before, since it is now relevant, "While being a clone in and of itself can't be detected by looking at someone's DNA, sometimes the cloning process isn't perfect, especially if it was rushed in desperation."

He takes his glasses off and looks away from his equipment and directly at Bobbi, "That can lead to corruption, which is what we have here. Either their methods weren't state of the art or they were trying to rush the process due to a short time table. Because of that mistake, they are practically screaming at us the fact that we are not looking at 'our' Natasha."

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Sara frowns. If this was not 'their' Natasha, that means she was still out there, if in fact that is what this was all about. The truth was she didn't know for certain what happened to the real Natasha, or who the real Natasha was, but the clues all pointed at her being missing. There are questions forming, but for now she remains quiet. Everyone else here already knows, and she is here to observe and offer insight from an outside view, nothing more. Details of that type weren't needed for that.

Clint Barton has posed:
Clint holds his hand out to Bobbi, "Told you."

He hasn't looked away from the Natasha in the chair, waiting for her to be awake enough to begin asking questions. His eyes are a bit narrow as he considers the woman who is currently his only clue to where the real Nat is.

"So are we ready to get started, or does she need a few more minutes? And are there any specific topics you want to cover or avoid Bobbi? I'm getting tired of this whole situation."

Nadia Pym-van Dyne has posed:
There is a brief groan from 'Natasha' as she stirs from the smelling salts. The shackles briefly go taunt as she instinctively resists the unfamiliar restraints before she relaxes again, her face taking on the familiar emotionless state as her eyes move about the room taking in the surroundings and the various faces of those present. Though as Clint said, no recognition seems to register for any of them.

She seems content to say nothing for the time being once the initial glare subsides, as if waiting for her captors to get to the point and reveal why she is here.

Bobbi Morse has posed:
    "Thank you Angelo. Bruce, how old is she?, how long might she have to live? is there trace of the Red Room super soldier serum? if so, which version?" Knowing they're not dealing with a doppelganger but instead a clone changes things. Knowing that there are two Natasha's out there -- theirs helping, and this one hindering.

    Suddenly events are in a new light. She nods to Clint, "Good call. We don't need to play our hand - I know you're tired of it, but she's in our custody now. We have taken the chess piece off the board and we can take our time picking things apart. But who knows she might be cooperative."

    Now settled before Natasha, "Do you know who am?" she asks the Natasha in front of her, "Or who you are?" She dares to show a touch of compassion, "Do you know why you're here?" She rests her hands on the table top and watches Natasha closely.

Achilles has posed:
    Compassion. That is a good thing. Angelo did without it for far too long. Having finished the test, he sidles over to the others and leans on a table before folding his arms over his chest. "If she doesn't know us, boy is -she- in for a rude awakening." he murmurs to those nearby. Which... pretty much is everyone but Bobbi. Bobbi is busy playing good -and- bad cop, and doing a good job of it.

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Sara focuses completely on this Natasha now. Every movement she makes with her body, the expressions on her face, the sound of her voice when she speaks, even the tones and inflections she uses. That does mean she is staring, but she honestly could care very little if that was the case or not, she intended to miss nothing if she could help it.

Bruce Banner has posed:
Bruce Banner puts his glasses back on for 'phase two' of the analysis. He narrows his eyes, frowning, and finally showing just a bit of emotion. It can be hard sometimes to suppress everything. But this is depressing.. "She's uh.. between a year and two years old, can't tell exactly due to the way that cell regeneration in and of itself works."

He sighs again, as if it's a bit difficult for him to reveal the rest, "She has five years, ten with an act of god." His voice is still soft, but he clearly has moral qualms against creating a human being that is designed to live a brief, violent life for someone else's selfish ambition, whatever that might be.

"As for the serum? I don't see any trace of it. Might be why you caught her so easily."

Nadia Pym-van Dyne has posed:
The clone of Natasha Romanoff continues to stare at her captors. Even when addressed, at first it seems like she really isn't terribly inclined towards cooperation.

<My name is Nohl,> She finally says in Russian. <and I am here because you attacked the Novgorod facility and captured me.> The speech is simple and blunt.

Sharp eyes glance in Dr. Banner's direction as he is seemingly talking about her, but she says nothing further.

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Well fuck... Sara makes a mental note to learn a new language very soon, but even if she doesn't know what the woman is saying, she can still get information from the tones.

Bobbi Morse has posed:
    It's part of Bobbi's job to hear horrifying things like that in her ear and keep on keeping on as if nothing untoward had been revealed. Ten years? at most? just to be a weapon. Just to lure Natasha out perhaps? This is going to be a tricky one. But this isn't HYDRA they're dealing with here. Mercy is an option.. just look at Natasha and Nadia and even the most recent Dottie.

    There is a nod from Bobbi as she accepts this answer, "Nohl. That's a nice name. I'm going to give you a gift you are unlikely to have ever experienced before Nohl. I'm going to tell you the truth." Ah yes, she is definitely playing good cop right now.

    "At first you will assume I'm lying, or that it's some kind of trick or manipulation. That'll pass as you have time to reflect on things. You are a clone of a friend of ours. Her name is Natasha and she once worked for Red Room. She left that life behind her as she found her conscience wasn't okay with the work they required of her," she says. No supposition yet.

    "My name is Bobbi and I am an Agent of SHIELD. You are detained because the Red Room are using you to sow discord in Natasha's life. It's a difficult life to live, being a pawn for somebody else. Natasha got sick of it... and since you are a clone of her, I expect some part inside of you resents it already," she explains.

    It's important at this stage not to ask anything of Nohl, because then the angle of truth becomes moot.. once you ask something of them, you have an agenda. "Because Natasha is effectively your sister we have a vested interest in helping her - and therefore.. you," she says steadily. She keeps her facial expressions plain and without deception. It's easy to do when the only thing you're avoiding is the horror that someone would make Nohl in the first place.

Clint Barton has posed:
Clint shakes his head and says quietly to the people outside the field, "Didn't even give her a real name. She said her name is Nohl, which means zero in Russian. I'm not gonna chime in unless Bobbi asks me to, she's trying to explain things and build a little trust."

His voice is steady, but his eyes are bleak. Natasha is out there somewhere playing games with people who make things like Nohl without a second thought, who knows what they'd do to Nat if they catch her. These people have no morals at all.

Bruce Banner has posed:
Banner takes off his glasses and rubs his forehead for a bit before setting said glasses down on the counter in front of him, "Yeah.. same. I'm glad that I'm just here in an intellectual capacity." He probably doesn't have to say more but..

"Let me know when you find out who did this to her..." He's looking at Nohl, "She didn't deserve this." Whatever stress was caused by this revelation has passed now, at least as far as Banner is concerned.

He takes couple of deep breaths and waits for further instructions.

Nadia Pym-van Dyne has posed:
Nohl sits listening to Bobbi's truth, not saying anything, her face remaining that blank slate until the other woman has finished.

<How have sewn discord into the life of Natasha Romanoff?> She asks in Russian, again with that simple blunt speech.

<I have only one purpose, to train the cadets.> She adds after a moment, perhaps not considering the information particularly secret or valuable, though it is hard to say with anything related to Natasha.

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Sara moves closer to the others, still watching Natasha as she moves. Once she is closer she says quietly, "I can't understand her, but thus far her tones are blunt and to the point. I don't see deception, but that doesn't mean it isn't there."

Bobbi Morse has posed:
    Bobbi stares at Nohl for a while and leans back in her chair. She's thinking. Thinking hard in the face of the good will she's trying to create here. "I am going to tell you a story. It's not the whole story as the whole story is not mine to tell," she explains not wanting to obviously fall for the usual trick of half truths being taken as lies.

    "The cadets you speak of, they were staying at a SHIELD facility when somebody who looked like you, looked like Natasha, attacked the facility and took the girls away," she says, her eyes searching over the face of a.. not much older than a two year old.

    "In the process I encountered this person. They knew my name, they were combat trained and ready to take risks," she says calmly and then concludes, "I'd wager that this was not you. Do you have other sisters who look the same as you Nohl?"

    The complexities of an interrogation. You never know what you're truly walking in to or where it will take you. As a spy Bobbi tries to know more than the person she's interrogating but when you start on the back foot like this, you have to roll with the punches. The Natasha she met at the SHIELD facility .. she expected she'd need a bad cop to break that one down. But this one.. almost seems like an innocent lamb in comparison.

Clint Barton has posed:
Clint shakes his head, "She's not at all what I expected. She doesn't seem at all like Nat, it's like she hasn't had any espionage training at all. She's got the look, but nothing else. She was just a trainer, apparently. Good God, I have to wonder how many Natashas they actually made." He looks a little shocked, actually, at the thought of a number of Natashas running around out there. "This could be very, very bad."

Bruce Banner has posed:
Banner keeps calm, he's gotten pretty good at it actually, probably better than a large percentage of humanity who don't have have his problem. The anger drips through though, just barely, certainly not enough to cause alarm, "She's a child Clint. A child with knowledge she shouldn't have, with responsibility she shouldn't have. Accelerated aging.. it should be banned."

He doesn't so much as clench his fists. It doesn't help that this woman is a clone of someone that everyone in this room cares about, even the rest aside, "As a scientist who isn't trained in international relations, spycraft, or military strategy, it's not my place to throw speculation around though. I guess my part in this now is just to wait.. that's the hard part."

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Looking over at Banner, Sara offers a quiet, "I'm just a cop, and I agree with you on this one. Something like this shouldn't be allowed to happen, but it has. The objective at this point is to find out who, and why, then deal with it, or so I would assume." She looks back to the Nohl. "Whether she was born or hatched or cloned, she's still a living, breathing person. She's been wronged in /many/ ways. I just hope there's something that can be done for her, and that she can help lead us to the real Natasha."

Nadia Pym-van Dyne has posed:
Nohl's expressions or lack thereof seem similar to the original Natasha but that just might be neglect. There is a reticence to speak but that may just be the result of having been captured and confined in an unfamiliar environment.

She continues listening to Bobbi, <They were recovered.> She corrects Bobbi, <They had been taken before training was complete. They were returned, training continued.>

Nohl pauses, <Why did you take them?> she asks, seemingly avoiding the question about sisters for the moment.

Bobbi Morse has posed:
    Bobbi raises an eyebrow at the deeply complex question being posed to her. She steeples her finger tips together for just a moment as she considers the best way to try and answer that question. It is a fair exchange after all.

    "You are no doubt aware that human history is filled with examples of failed civilisations. They almost always stem back to depriving people of self determination," she begins.

    "We consider emancipation, therefore to be critical to a harmonious and stable society. Any practices which deprive a person of their free will must be justified by multiple levels of arbitration which we call a legal system."

    She motions to Nohl and says, "Therefore it is against our law to deprive children, who are unable to consent to self declination of emancipation or truly be held accountable of their actions, of an upbringing that gives them the best life we are able to offer them."

    "One of those lives that is automatically removed from this equation is... child soldier. Training children to be weapons is tantamount to depriving their future selves of emancipation. One such ...cadet, emancipated herself from the Red Room somewhat recently. She found her biological father and sought to discover what it meant to have family."

    She twists her lips a touch, "The Red Room abducted her back in to their program and the friends that this cadet had made in our society recovered her. In the process, we found more cadets that were being trained as soldiers - because of our beliefs, we removed them from that environment so that they could acclimate to a society that gives them free will. We gave them what the first cadet gave herself. Several of the cadets we removed from the Red Room had expressed a desire to be emancipated."

    "To take someone who knows no better, or has had free will, and enforce upon them your will... is called slavery. One of the very kinds of rot that leads to the downfall of civilisations."

Clint Barton has posed:
Clint listens to Bobbi's explanation with a raised eyebrow and murmers "That might be a little too complex for her. But well said." He looks at the others, "We've apparently moved from interrogation to political science and civics lessons. This is not going at all the way we expected."

He sighs, "This is one hell of a mess. I don't even know what we'll do with her if she doesn't want to give up the indoctrination, it's almost unfair to keep her locked up for not knowing any better."

Bruce Banner has posed:
Banner can only nod at this point, he agrees with both Bobbi, and Clint, "It's.. pretty hard to say what she does and doesn't understand from Bobbi's speech. We have no way of knowing how far her mind has developed, but in even two years there's no way that she's able to grasp her situation very well, if at all. Especially if she was taught in an isolated environment."

He looks at the clone again, "But I don't think it hurts for her to be told the things that Bobbi told her. Even if she doesn't understand it right now, later she might. I want to believe that she can be helped.. I can't crack the code that determined how long she'll live but.."

~God I don't dare hope..~ His thoughts are a clash of optimism and pessimism .... "I don't know.. I just hope that we can give her a better -rest- of her life.. whatever that might be.."

Nadia Pym-van Dyne has posed:
Nohl is following until she isn't, the longer that Bobbi talks, the blanker her expression becomes. Certainly she understands most of the words but some of the core concepts do not seem to register to her.

<I do not understand self-determination.> She finally says. <Please explain further. I have my role and I fulfill it, the cadets have their role too. If we deviate from our assigned roles it will create discord. Having a role means we are not useless, those who have no purpose are disposed of, so it is best for everyone that we all fulfill our purpose.>

Listening to her, it is like the entire concept of self-determination has been deleted from her mind. As if, while not a robot, she has been mentally programmed with selective information rather than any sort of natural growth.

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Sara looks between Banner and Clint then says, "Or she could be lying, playing us for fools, expecting us to react to her story in just this way in hopes of building false belief and eventual escape. Admittedly, that is a long shot given her facial expressions and the tones of her voice, but you all did say these people were trained by skilled manipulators, she very well could fake it all, right?"

Bobbi Morse has posed:
    Bobbi half expected this might go over her head. Not every one in the room has doctorates after all. Let alone been forced to conceptualise these things as part of their day to day job. To pull the trigger or not pull the trigger. You need a good understanding of who you are and why you're doing the job to make a good determination.

    She nods her head though and says, "I can see why you might think that. No two people are alike, even when they are cloned. If a person is good at task B but not task A that does not mean they have no purpose. Much of adult life is spent searching for purpose. It is a leap of fallacy to assume that we all fit a single mould or that we aren't without value if we don't fit a specific mould."

    "Much civic liberty debates revolve around the clash of these consideration. When a person is of a different culture to you some people make assumptions about their worth. Consider the reverse, that now you are no long in the Novgorod facility.. you have no defined purpose as dictated to you. You would be.. disposed of."

    "Within you, that may stir up a fearful emotion. You don't want to die? Your natural inclination might be to demand we return you there and to hope that you still fit their mould. A risk, you might not. The alternative is to acknowledge that humanity has a broader scope than utilitarianism."

Clint Barton has posed:
Clint looks around and realizes several people have vaugely blank looks (Other than Nohl, that is). "You guys don't speak Russian, do you?" He quickly runs through what Bobbi has been telling the girl and her answers, then takes up a running translation of any further conversation. Since he's not actually needed to be an interrogator, translator is acceptable for something to do.

Bruce Banner has posed:
Bruce Banner tries to manage a half smile, "No.. I don't speak Russian." Unlike Stark he can't come up with anything funny to say after that. He settles for waiting some more.

And responding to Sara, "She could be lying, she could be manipulating us, she could be smarter, and colder than any of us realize.. I'm just glad that I am not the one who has to determine that.. to make that decision." He looks back at Bobbi, "I'm too emotional for that sort of thing.." It's true. His meekness is a shield.

Nadia Pym-van Dyne has posed:
Nohl still seems to be struggling with what Bobbi is saying. It could all be an act as Sara said, certainly the actual Natasha Romanoff as one of the greatest spies the world has ever known would be capable of it. Yet, there is something simple almost earnest about Nohl that makes it seem unlikely.

<If I have no purpose now then I will be disposed of, if the cadets are here I could still train them. My purpose is not tied to Novgorod.> She thinks for a moment, <I am not fearful. I have not really thought about it. But I have no purpose other than training the cadets. If I cannot fulfill that purpose, what reason do I have to exist? Where does this broader scope come from? Are we not created with our purpose in mind in order to fulfill it? I should return, but if I am here the cadets are likely also no longer there. Without them there is no purpose in returning.>

For a moment she tries her restraints again as if maybe it dawned on her that the cadets are probably here and the only way to return to her purpose would be to rescue them somehow. When it once again becomes very clear how well bound she is, she simply looks back at Bobbi again.

Bobbi Morse has posed:
    Bobbi smiles kindly and says, "That you have people born for a purpose that they don't fit.. and are therefore disposed of, should tell you a universal truth about humanity. No body is born with a purpose. There is no point to life other than to explore as many facets of it that intrigue us. Some of us find a calling, but even myself, whose job right now is to talk to you.. I have many other talents and interests beyond what someone might assign to me."

    "I am a martial artist, and a biologist. I'm not bad at either, quite good at both. I like to crack wise about art with my partner. And sometimes crack wise about other people in general. These are all examples of the randomness of human beings. You are filled with depths you have yet to discover. The idea of having a purpose is an opiate for the masses, a lie to make a complex and scary world seem more ordered than it really is."

    She lifts her hand, "I have answered your questions, would you please answer mine?"

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Shaking her head slowly, Sara offers quietly, "No, I don't think anyone could impersonate that level of... how could they leave someone like that?" Anger starts to rise in her voice, but she takes a deep breath and pushes it back down. "Someone has a lot of work a head of them with her."

Clint Barton has posed:
Clint nods after translating the latest round. "Yeah, she's got almost no idea of what life actually is. We'll have to totally educate her from square one. She's got no idea how the world actually works at all." He shakes his head, "I can't even comprehend how they could do that to someone."

Bruce Banner has posed:
Bruce Banner frowns again once he can actually understand what the clone is saying, "Personally I never wanted to believe that she was manipulating us. Now I am even more convinced that she isn't." He tries to smirk and barely manages it, "I guess that's just another reason why I'm a scientist and not a special agent."

"Like I said.. she's a child for all intents and purposes. Even if her body is fully mature, her mind can't be, there's no way.. not after only two years tops. I really hope that she can be helped. I don't know what kind of life she could have but, maybe since she's only a couple of years old.. I don't know."

He stops speculating, "What I do see, just from what she's said just now, is that she believes what she does because she's never had a choice. We can at least see what she does -with- a choice right?"

Nadia Pym-van Dyne has posed:
Nohl is quiet for a long time as she thinks. <Your answers do not make sense, I cannot understand them.> The idea of self-determination itself just seems to confuse her.

When Bobbi asks about her own questions Nohl pauses and considers before answering. Not answering will only likely keep her away from her purpose for a longer amount of time. <Your questions? You mean was I the one who recovered the cadets? No, that is not my purpose. I was moved to Novgorod and awaited their recovery, while assisting the soldiers there in their own training. There are few others like me, most of the others of my generation were deemed not to have a purpose. It would have been one of the Lozhnaya Vdova that recovered her.>

Bobbi Morse has posed:
    Bobbi nods slowly and says, "That's okay Nohl. I will find somebody to help you understand this, broaden your perspective. You've not been shown what choice is and that can be a difficult thing to grasp sometimes." What she doesn't say is how cruel she thinks this is. Her ex-soviet spy friends always had choices, even if not quite to the same degree as capitalist society with its plethora of irrelevant choices.

    There is another and she smiles, "Thank you Nohl. How many Lozhnaya Vdova have you seen?" Just how bad is this problem. Their protocols put in place when the doppelgangers turned up mean Natasha has code words that her clones wouldn't know, but now they need to be extra careful about what is said and when. This might at least put Clint's mind at ease. Certainly Fury's for sure.

Clint Barton has posed:
Clint relays this, then adds, "Great, they even have a name for the fake Natashas. That indicates there's probably a decent number of them, I imagine." He considers for a moment, then adds, "I hope the real Nat has a handle on this, cause we need to find them and shut it down as soon as possible. We can't let them keep making these False Widows."

Bruce Banner has posed:
Banner nods at Clint, fingering his glasses, "Shutting it down is probably the only other thing I can help with at this point. I'll be there.. and I hope Natasha is alright.."

He doesn't even want to think about all the ways that a plan can go wrong when you are an exact duplicate of potentially dozens of other women..

Like being mistaken for a runaway while trying to rescue your sisters? He pushes it from his mind.

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Sara goes back to watching Nohl, though she continues to speak to the two men in the room with her. "I assume there has been no word at all from the real Natasha, or else this would all be moot, so assuming she has a handle on it may not be the best line of thinking. I'll admit, I hope she does and I don't even know her, but if she hasn't reported in, has said nothing, and is missing, then what's to say they don't have her and that is how they are making these clones in the first place?" She glances to Clint for a moment, then over to Banner, before looking back to Nohl. "Whatever the course may be, whether it is to stop any more from being made, or to go in search for the real Natasha, I'm in. Bobbi knows how to contact me, but I want a piece of this... this... whatever or whoever did this." Again there is anger to her tone, but she keeps it in check.

Nadia Pym-van Dyne has posed:
Nohl just shakes her head again, <I have only ever seen one of the Lozhnaya Vdova. They do not come to Novgorod. Except for the one that came to return the cadets, but she did not remain for long before escorting the Science Class members to another facility.>

It is about this time that an old radio of Clint's starts emitting an odd sort of static almost like it is picking up some sort of signal from a very non-standard band.

Bobbi Morse has posed:
    Bobbi nods her head, "I'm sorry we have to keep you like this for now Nohl, but I will talk to my colleagues about changing your situation." She rises from the chair and says to her, "Don't worry, no one here will hurt you." She heads back through the screen and looks to her colleagues.

    "If we can find out where they're operating this false Widow from.. we may need the avengers to take this on. Red Room has been notoriously deadly in their response to incursion. First time we had Avengers, Justice League, and Titans. The second time we had Titans unexpectedly."

    She looks to each person, "So, tell me, what's your take?"

Clint Barton has posed:
"Well, I'd say that... wait." He pulls a small radio out of an inside jacket pocket. "Well, well. About time Nat." He looks to Bobbi, "This is a prearranged channel we set up a long time ago. Give me a second to remember the code." He listens to the bursts of static, nodding to himself, then pulls out his StarkPhone and pulls up a holographic globe, entering in latitude and longitude on the phone.

A red glowing mark centers on northern Greenland. "There. That's our spot. Bobbi, we need a team in the air ASAP. I'll see if I can grab any of the Avengers besides Bruce here. If you know how to contact those Titans or the Justice League, please feel free to invite them along."

Sara Pezzini has posed:
Taking a moment Sara looks past Bobbi to watch Nohl now that the 'interrogator' has left the room. She can see the same motions, the attempt to test the shackles, the resolve to 'get back to her purpose' and nothing else. No fight for freedom, no anger, no resignation at being caught, just one goal in her mind and nothing more.

Looking now to Bobbi she says, "There's nothing fake about her. What you see /is/ the truth of her. She was created for one purpose, which she was deemed unfit for and then assigned another, and that purpose, to train the cadets, is all she wants, even now. No fight, no resignation, just the purpose..." she stops as Clint speaks. Whatever else she might have been about to say gone. "I'm in Bobbi. I know you haven't seen me in action, but I assure you, you'll want my skills there. If you truly question is, speak to Agent May. If you want to see it, I'll show you now... but I'm in."

Bruce Banner has posed:
Bruce Banner doesn't need sleep. Especially not when there's a clear target. He's a bit more lively now, although still very reserved, "We might be able to drag Stark out of his lab. There's less than a coin toss's chance that he's asleep right now."

He picks up his glasses and places them in a front pocket, the only thing he actually brought with him.

"Regardless.. you got the big guy on this one.." No flash of green in his eyes.. not yet.

Bobbi Morse has posed:
    "I had a feeling big green might not be happy with what's been going on," she says to Bruce.. anyone who thinks they're not afraid of the Hulk hasn't been up close and personal with him. She smiles to Banner, appreciating his take on it. She nods to Sara, "Okay rookie, you're in." With a nod to Clint she waits for the intel.

    "I hope Nat knows what's she's gotten herself in to. We will have to be careful, Nat could be there along with the fake spider. Which means extra care on the take downs. No lethal as per usual. The more Red Room agents we can nab the better. Slowly their network is falling apart in no short thanks to Nadia and Natasha."

    She motions to the guard who turns the shield back up to full, "As for poor Nohl there.. I have some agents in mind who are also social workers. They can help her, may be help her define a new life or at least make her comfortable. The last thing we want is to give her domain over young minds again.. she trains killers."

    There's a small sigh, "Okay. Let's get geared up and put this plan in motion." She smiles to Sara, "Welcome to the Special Priority Operations Team."